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my take on the friction between you twoFrom: Steven
Subject: Practice
Date/Time 2010-08-17 13:31:52
Remote IP: 75.7.196.108
MessageHaving read a number of recent exchanges between you and bagua,
I can sense a good deal of frustration coming through . . .
Part of the problem is, is that you two believe in different models.
Your model is one in which the individual is mortal, and by
doing the alchemical formulas of One Cloud, the process
transforms you into something else: a spiritually immortal being.
Bagua's model is one which the individual is immortal already,
and nothing needs to be done to make you immortal. All the
alchemy does is to release the cloud of attachment and confusion
that prevents you from living in a core space where you can
see this reality directly.
Then when the two of you argue, you are arguing from the perspective
of your model and he is arguing from his. So there becomes an incompatibility
between what you two are talking about.
Having gotten into arguments myself with both of you before, I've learned this
to be the case. You keep trying to fit things into your model, and
he keeps trying to fit things into his. It makes healthy discussion
difficult, as things keep going round and round in confusion until
either someone gets frustrated and gives up, or the underlying model
assumptions are brought to light.
And the fact that Bagua's style of arguing is based on having a
master's degree in "Socratic irony" doesn't help matters much. ;)
Peace,
S
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