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connecting to immortals: possible reality or shared delusionFrom: Steven
Subject: Practice
Date/Time 2010-08-15 00:29:56
Remote IP: 76.247.132.159
Message>>>If one is meditating and they are trying to connect to immortals
>>>and the person has a dialogue and they say,
>>>Yes, I speak with immortals, does this mean it is real?
It does not fit the formula I previously mentioned (namely it
lacks outside corroboration) so it can NOT be accepted as part of reality.
HOWEVER, the person DID have an experience, so what it boils down to is this:
1. If you do NOT BELIEVE that their experience was sourced from something
outside of fantasy, then you have no choice but to consider their experience
as delusion!
2. If you DO believe that their experience was sourced from something
outside of fantasy, then the best you can say is that you SUPPORT the
POSSIBLE reality of the experience, and consider the "jury to be out"
until you have likewise experienced it.
Typically in the Healing Tao community, in particular those that practice
the alchemical formulas of One Cloud beyond formula #1, the default is usually to
the SECOND CHOICE I mentioned above, which forms a sort of comforting
support to the others that are likewise practicing. Of course there
is no reason why a person shouldn't be allowed to identify with the
FIRST CHOICE if they so chose.
The main danger, of course, in the SECOND CHOICE, is that if
another person later on has a similar experience, then even though
it wasn't the same experience and therefore legitimately can not
be said to be corroboration, it forms a sort of pseudo-corroboration
or at the very least, additional support to the phenomenon. The
main problem here is that, since there is--by its nature--a flimsy
quality to the verification of the experience in this case,
it is therefore uncertain as to whether the phenomenon is
REALITY (in a de facto sense) or SHARED DELUSION.
Putting these ingredients together, the phenomenon of connection
to "otherworldly immortals", is either POSSIBLE REALITY or
SHARED DELUSION. Each person in the community selects from
one of these two choices, and the selection itself is PURELY
a matter of personal opinion.
Steven
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