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Feminism and HomosexualityFrom: Steven
Subject: Practice
Date/Time 2010-08-11 10:29:27
Remote IP: 76.247.139.135
Message>>>Once again you shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.
Read my post again carefully.
I never attacked YOU. I attacked your ideas.
Frankly, I don't care what you personally believe.
By the way, you are setting up a STRAW MAN here by claiming I'm going after you;
when I've done nothing of the sort. This is a convenient way to avoid
acknowledging my argument.
>>>I am not a hateful or fearful or evil person. Thank you very much.
I never said you were.
This is your personal extrapolation only.
If you want to self-identify with ideas I attack, that's your business;
but I've said nothing of the sort.
>>>By the way, you are starting to sound like Bush, Jr.
>>>with that axis of evil stuff.
Did you actually read my post?
At any rate, I'm going to ignore this obvious AD HOMINEM attack.
Now to address the actual CONTENT of your post:
As far as women/feminism, frigidity has as its cause the storing
of psychic emotional garbage and trauma in the womb space. This
is part of what the Jade Egg practice from Healing Love is meant
to help with, as well as the many other psychological tools
for self-evolution that are in the Healing Tao toolkit.
Oftentimes, anger and other manifesting problems such as frigidity
can arise later on, and only after emotional baggage that had
previously been SUPPRESSED is able to start to be given a voice.
This is part of the HEALING process, not an indicator that the
woman was "better" being in a suppressed state.
Of course, everyone has the capacity to take things to extremes,
and have the pendulum swing beyond equality to an
anger-driven superiority, but this is more the exception than
the rule I think.
As to the homosexual issue, you know people have been arguing
nature vs. nurture issues for a long time, and it's a debate
that could go on without end. The article you linked is
an over-generalization, a convenient hyperbolic fairy tale,
that doesn't even come close to painting the complete picture of
what is going on.
"Gay conversion therapy" has a very low success rate.
At best, in the few cases where it appears to work, it just creates suppression;
by and large it causes a lot of additional psychological trauma that
then has to be extensively undone through a lot of additional therapy.
This is one of the reasons it has been disavowed. If it actually worked,
success stories would spread like wildfire, and there would be a flood
of people to such programs, as no one wants to feel stigmatized.
The bottom line is that such a thing is a fairy tale, and it
damages people . . . akin to the old practice of "retraining lefties"
I mentioned earlier.
But saying that people are "supposed to be" a certain way is a
fear-based judgment. These are just convenient ways to "shoebox" people
and put them into categories . . . put people into neat little discreet
roles and say "this person" is in "this category" and "that person"
is in "that category". If you are a man, you are supposed to grow
up playing with trucks and playing sports, and then grow up and
hunt and fish and be the breadwinner; if you are a woman, . . . etc.
Neat little prepackaged roles and categories to put people into, so
that people can feel SAFE. People aren't prepackaged COGS for a
machine, and they shouldn't have to be. The truth is that there
is inherent continuous DIVERSITY all across the spectrum. This is
Anthropology 101. People aren't in neat categories.
The lifeforce is not rigid like that; it is fluid, flowing, across all spectra.
Also, FYI, you might want to be careful about making generalizations
about mental stabilities, neuroses, etc. with regard to homosexuality.
In particular, there is a SENIOR Healing Tao instructor that is
half of a homosexual couple, a coupling that has lasted a really long
time--longer than a lot of standard heterosexual marriages; I know
this person quite well. Moreover: unstable, disturbed, neurotic, etc.
this person is NOT; one of the most well-grounded people I've met.
By the way, since it appears no one else on this list cares about
this conversation, and since I feel I've already said my piece
adequately, I don't know that I'm going to respond further to these
political propaganda rants.
Have a nice day,
Steven
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