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cultivation, change and integrationFrom: singing ocean
Subject: Practice
Date/Time 2008-12-27 21:17:50
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MessageThe idea of the inner meaning of words is an important one, particularly in spiritual discussions because the same words can be used to mean different things.
The idea of "enlightenment or living in the Tao" does imply some sort of "state of being", I tend to think of it as a "process of being", and for me "just seeing them from a yuan perspective" implies that all someone need do is shift their mental viewpoint and they are "living in harmony with the yuan shen".. It seems you are saying that "shifting your viewpoint" is equal to practicing Kan and Li, which brings us back to the discussion about methods and the idea (which I do not agree with) that some people hold that "all paths lead to the same result". Having practiced kan and li for many years, I have felt a definite change in my process of being that exists both on a deep level and in the outer world, which are overlapping more and more as the practice deepens. I would disagree that the goal of practice can be reached in formula one because it does not include kan and li. Learning the first kan and li formula can spontaneously lead to the other ones but not necessarily, so learning them is also valuable in my opinion. After all of them have been learned they do start to merge together and the practice continually deepens so in a sense my later heaven experience of it is sequential. From the perspective of the higher self in early or primordial heaven, all time and possibilities are ever present, but we are rooted in the later heaven plane...you can say otherwise, and that you have achieved free and effortless communication with primordial heaven and that is fine (in your opinion), but I would say that my ability to communicate with the other levels of my self does deepen and change the more I practice, which is really what alchemy is...a process of refinement.
Even though you say otherwise, it does still seem that you use a semi-buddhist cosmology in the sense that we can be "freed from our attempts to stop things, creating polarity"... isn't this a lot like trying to "free yourself from the wheel of samsara, the life of suffering". Later heaven is by nature polarized, we are bringing more balance here through practice, but it is the polarity that helps create the process of change, and cannot be stopped as long as we are in a physical body.
The concept of Yi to me means using the intention to achieve things, not necessarily a deep constant connection with the yuan shen as you seem to imply. I am not really clear on what YOU mean by saying that. Again, I would answer that by using the yi you are achieving formula one in one clouds system, but there are also four other jing shen, and combined they work together on a deeper level, as well as reversing their polarity as in formula two which also gives a deeper method of communication. It is really useless discussing it because the effects are only felt through practice, and it takes a lot of practice to feel the results.
Again I also disagree with the implication that you make that "when you do all of the formulas, it is this Yi, intention of mindfulness that you are using", which seems to say that all of the kan and li formulas amount to just using the Yi. ha ha ha, yes you are using the yi but you are using it to connect to certain parts of the mind of nature, more collective levels of consciousness and wire them into the individual self. When you try and bypass this by "meditating on the primordial" without all the intermediary steps, it is much harder to integrate and communicate with (in my opinion).
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