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Clairvoyance and perspectivesFrom: Steven
Subject: Philosophy
Date/Time 2009-10-16 12:17:16
Remote IP: 35.8.158.15
MessageHmm, welcome to part 3 of the Steve/Chris debate. ;)
I think this is turning into the longest running thread
we've ever had, LOL.
[I wonder if anyone *else* is actually reading any of
this stuff, or cares anymore, LOL.]
OK Chris, I'll bite. ;)
>>>Some ramblings...
>>>
>>>The Collective nature of the Higher Self
>>>
>>>The material plane is full of humans (on earth).
>>>If humans have personal "higher selves",
>>>then each of them must have to coordinate the
>>>limitless possibilities of unpredictable interactions
>>>that humans have with other humans, and if most humans
>>>are somehwat unconscious of their "higher selves",
>>>then at the very least the "higher selves" must be
>>>cooperating on some level as a community to make
>>>all these interactions happen. This would make
>>>the "higher selves" into a community, a collective
>>>intelligence.
I would have to disagree on the idea "unpredictable
interactions". Having knowledge on prior life
experiences and the emotional state of the participants
constructed from past events, the resulting interaction is not the
least surprising (c.f. Rainbowbear's excellent comment).
Moreover, having some "clairvoyance"
into what can happen in the immediate future makes
it not difficult to "select" the script that most
closely matches with the desired goals and optimal growth.
Please reference my "dot/oval analogy" for the explanation
of the "free will/no free will dualism".
>>>The reason I would say that humans lives are spontaneous,
>>>happening in the moment and are subject to the free will
>>>of the functioning post-natal shen is that there are
>>>simply too many variables in human interaction
>>>for lives to be "planned".
Speculation.
This is akin to the argument "Intelligent Design" people use.
I.E.:
Human life, right down to the cellular level, is just too
complicated to be and to exist on its own development without
a Creator God. Therefore we had to be created by a Creator God.
I mean, that's basically your argument. I.E. It's difficult
to understand, so therefore it can not be.
Difficulty in understanding does not imply existence or lack
of existence.
Moreover, things are only complicated when looked at from
a certain perspective. Other perspectives make them look easy.
Imagine spending your time walking around constantly looking down
at your feet. In such a state, you don't see things coming at
you. You probably aren't going to notice you've walked into a
lion's den until you actually enter and are attacked by the lion.
Everything is going to seem to be happening spontaneously
and unpredictably. However, if you simply look up and look straight
ahead, things become a lot less complicated--they become
more predictable--and you can make decisions in advance of upcoming
situations (like deciding to NOT walk into a lion's den).
Being in the higher planes is like this.
"They've lifted up their heads" and looked ahead.
They see what's coming. They see the lion's den.
With this sort of clairvoyance in seeing the immediate
future, do you really think it would be difficult to
make advance decisions before they arise?
S
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