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Clarifying the Theory/PremiseFrom: Intelligence
Subject: Philosophy
Date/Time 2007-10-31 12:39:40
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each of these passages were really good to read..
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I view this shift itself from limited emotions, etc. to greater cosmic self as an act of transforming the post-natal self into something completely new - a phase of self that never pre-existed before that moment. I see that new greater cosmic self as a totally new integration of post-natal experience and pre-natal awareness.
In my view the existence of a pre-existing or higher dimensional field of consciousness itself doesn't necesaarily imply that the SAME post-natal self pre-existed in a different time zone or space. As i understand your view, the real self was just hiding in another dimension, and now decided to peek in on its "lower, limited self, but that they are essentially the same "self". That only one self exists, divided into many minds and bodies.
I think this is the difference between our views, but correct me if I am wrong.
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A simple way to see my position is the analogy of parents and children. Something of the parents self- their jing/essence - shapes the child, but the child is not the same "self" as the parents - each has a unique destiny and unique self-awareness. The child's Self (we could also call it soul) is composed of three sources of jing - the mother, father, and the yuan jing from the primal field, probably not direct, but filtered thorugh an oversoul vibration. So the child is similar to the parent and linked to its ongoing unfoldment within the Tao, but they are different in the shape of their essence, which defines their "selfness" in my view.
The same difference is found in the the "greater" and "lesser" self multi=dimensionally - they are linked, like parent and child, to a common field and thread of evolution, but their experience is unique, i.e. different.
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That greater mother self is also not to be confused with the primal field of existence. Yes, the Greater Self was also born out of that field. This is how we get levels of "self", called soul and oversoul in the west. The process of cosmological division has many levels to it - all connected to the primordlal field of existence, but each a unique pattern of jing and thus different in some critical way from the parent primal field. Thus the necessary distinction between Beings arising with the field of Existence vs.the Existence/Non-existence continuum itself.
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my point in posting is to try to get a really clean version of the theory..
one thought that comes to mind is that I do not think people think about or comprehend the perfection of heaven.. i say this in the sense of the greater cosmos.. and i say it based out of past experience of the universe as a vast hologram of light and geometry.. as perfect precise and coordinated as the geometries of electron orbitals.. pulsating with vast universal communication systems and higher intelligences
Plato's allegory of the cave comes to mind, as does the academy, as a gateway into knowledge of the divine architecture of the cosmos.. (please pass compass and squares at this point..)
perhaps that's an illusion but i personally have had enough experience of it to at least hope..
My point is the details are so murky..
1) someone could say, hey the universe is composed of a consciousness field.. it has various subsets and goes through yin yang cycles and functions at a more dreamy impersonal level of awareness than we normally experience.. at death, our little sub field fades away never to return.. our experience of the divine will come from a temporary uplink to that vast original dream like consiousness space.. thats all we mortals can aspire for..
2) someone could say that somehow there is a nucleus inside of our souls that is like a coded force field which comes from somewhere... and at death disentangles only t o be implanted again..but does not necessarily involve any higher self, perhaps it was even born from DNA itself.. and passes generation to generation..
but who knows which is real..
my question after reading this is, is it possible to synopsize the theory?
1) is there an individual self that exists before birth and after death, and if so what was it's origin?..
2) pending question 1, is this transient self part of
A: one consciousness that has now totally lost it's individuality pending a new physical rebirth
B: actual individual consciousnesses that somehow survive through
C: some kind of temporary null zone within one vast consciousness field where you will remember something of the last life when you come back in again as an individual
3) pending all the above, if there is a "greater self" within our normal self.. is it simply that one universal field or are there some levels in-between such as an overself related to a prior incarnation or perhaps even an evolving personality within multiple lifetimes.. is for example there a greater self at some larger level that is like an indivudual experiencing multiple lifetimes?
4) how much must evolve and how much is already there?
my best guess is that souls are like starseeds, or khabs in egypt.. they are based around a supernatural reactor of a force we call love that is part of something we can barely comprehend.. the universe is probably some sort of eternal cycle, where wombs are dark and furtile, and stars are warm loving and expansive..
there is something going on at an atomic and quantum level that is ideal and allows for the real existence of a human soul.. probably as a genuine magnetic-force field
I do not know where this soul originated, but it does at times appaear to be within things, a heaven within, where different lives are just different facets of it's existence within some sort of hyperspace..
my impression is that this nucleus may require transport..and that it is possible to evolve and store memories as fields that go along with it.. so that perhaps various species throughout the universe have evolved a memory structure which survives and evolves through reincarnation
i am actually more heavily inclined towards this than the more cosmic soul origin.. primarily bgecause i am open to the possibiity that the "soul" came into existence as a product of dna but can be transited along the infrastructure of the chain as part of an interstellar network of evolving translife magnetic fields..
then there is the question of what the chritians call the holy spirit.. divine universal god love through the heart.. which begs the question of how that yuan shien operates..
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