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Credibility of Bodri, Chin, Cessation, Max, etc....From: singing ocean
Subject: General
Date/Time 2005-05-11 19:44:12
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Message...is in my opinion one sided in that it is based on mental/thought cultivation: stilling of the thoughts. This is perfectly valid if that is the path that you want to follow.
If you check out all the links to articles The Cessation posted (Re: HEy DC!!!!:(62) The Cessation (38): 2005-05-10 03:14 am), Bodri claims all of his authority on "What Shakyamuni Buddha said...", and also claims to know all of the ("true") ancient Daoist secrets, but does not give any examples.
I would like to quote from the "Nei Yeh" (inner training), translated by Harold Roth in the book "Original Tao". This text is thought to be an example of the alchemical/meditative tradition that gave birth to the Dao De Jing, and contains many source verses that later became attributed to Lao Zi. This text is dated to about 400 B.C., earlier than Lao Zi.
point #1. Ancient Daoist and chinese character for "mind" is actually written as "heart", localised inside the body!!! This puts a completely different spin on what we now think of as the "mind" (in the head):
"If you can be aligned and tranquil, (referring to aligning the body)
Only then can you be stable,
with a stable heart/mind at your core (the inner vital organ shen)
with the eyes and ears acute and clear,
and with the four limbs firm and fixed,
you can thereby make a lodging place for the vital Jing essence."
Nei Yeh, verse 8
(this means that it is important to cultivate the pure virtue qualities of the vital organ shen before cultivating the jing, which agrees with M.Winn's sequence of training.)
"The Jing: it is the essence of the Vital Qi.
When the vital energy is guided, it is generated,
but when it is generated, there is thought,
when there is thought, there is knowledge,
but when there is knowledge, then you must stop.
whenever the forms of the heart/mind have excesive knowledge,
you lose your vitality."
-Nei Yeh, verse 8
(I would interpret this to mean that when you cultivate Jing and Qi, it is important not to waste it through too many external pursuits)
point #2. The argument of Bodri that "it is wrong to cultivate your Qi through Qigong/spinning your Qi" is simply not supported in the ancient Daoist texts, in fact exactly the opposite is stated. Lets look at the facts.
"For all this Way,
you must coil, you must contract,
you must uncoil, you must expand,
you must be firm, you must be regular,
Hold fast to this excellence, do not let go of it.
Chase away the excessive; abandon the trivial.
And when you reach its ultimate limit
you will return to the way and its inner power."
Nei Yeh, Verse 17
case closed.
- Credibility of Bodri, Chin, Cessation, Max, etc....: (696) singing ocean (838) - - 2005-05-11 7:44 pm
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