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skillFrom: bagua
Subject: General
Date/Time 2009-07-22 17:48:06
Remote IP: 76.174.127.139
MessageYou use Quotes as if you are just restating something I stated, I did not say the quaoted statement you wrote below. I asked you not to misquote me, if it happens again I will move on and end my participation in this discussion.
"we already have everything we need and only need to realize our eternal presence in the Tao, and (presumably) maintain awareness in the present, nothing else is needed, and everything else is unnecessary and a futile pursuit",
I gave you the years of Tao Hongjing's life, not pages in a book. Go buy Tao's book on herbology to confirm there is no info on connection to herbs and channels and organs, Divene Farmer's Materia Medica. I did not say Tao Hongjing said the knowledge is 5,000 years old. I said in chinese culture they say things like that, like this was given by Yellow Emperor or Shen Nong and on and on. They are always attaching things to gods or immortals which many will not question.
There is alot in the history of chinese culture and medicine, take a course on it if you can if you have not. I will mention things when I feel its beneficial.
We can say things existed for a long time before we can track it from a historical persepctive, one can say it but that does not make it true, it may be and it may not be, thats the truth if you have zero information to verify.
If you want to know what was known in the Warring States read the Ma Wagdui texts on medicine, this is what we know now and its going to be very different than what people think when their view is based on current Nei Jing versions.
I will address your comments in the way I prefer, if you do not find it of some value lets end our dialogue. The middle of Roth's book is very revealing about this book and I will include it.
My intention is not to use this book to suport your views or my views, but to explore what it means without a filter.
Jarret info seems to come from Worsley and Jeffrey Yuen's teachings, he gives very little timing of the information, if you study Jeffrey's work you will see exactly what I mean, he lays out the history and lists dynasties, people, etc. There is nothing wrong with information being created only 1,000 years ago, not 10,000.
For example, in the nei jing, nan jing, jia yi jing, the classic acupuncture texts, there is no information in the locations of the Yin and Yang Wei channels, ZERO, ZERO, they do not exist, its about 1,000 years before it appears. And they DO NOT exist on the arms, once again they do not exist on the arms, but people keep saying it does. This is one example of false knowledge.
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