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Physical deathFrom: DamonM
Subject: General
Date/Time 2009-07-16 13:11:44
Remote IP: 12.53.117.36
MessageSteven,
I feel the tiger roaring. And I appreciate (and don’t take offense in anyway) your directness!
Yes I understand how new age-ie this can feel, as these are just my philosophical thoughts, not my direct experience here. On a personal feeling I don't have any issues or apprehension of physical death (as I feel we are physiologically born to handle death). BTW I’m not trying to disagree with you in anyway, just sharing thoughts and ideas (which have their limits). I express this idea but the fact that things are changing remains the same.
“Let me ask you/bagua this. Are you aware of the present
moment when you fall asleep at night? Do you have
continuous awareness as you shift into sleep? I don't
know about you, but I lose awareness as I lose consciousness.
I go from having awareness to nothingness--periodically
punctuated by dreams--then a return to awareness as I wake up.
And here I haven't died, I've just gone to sleep--my body is
still alive.”
I can say that I have a sort of awareness that is very different from being awake (and I’m not talking about dreaming either). I do feel a presence that exists when I sleep but it’s very hard to describe in words, it’s very subtle, more subtle then thought, and it’s obviously pretty peaceful too. I have in the past had events occur right around that point between consciousness and falling asleep that have brought me back into consciousness and I had the chance to sort of reflect on that feeling. There are feelings occurring during sleep for me, so I don’t relate to your limited sense of what consciousness is. There are different levels that’s why I am interesting in understand the more subtle reasons of “how” as you put it.
"But trying to apply it to physical death, seems a little like
nonsense to me (sorry)."
What drive you to feel this way? Don’t you think your trying to reason issues that go beyond the written word or the limits of language here? I’m trying to get you to explain it in more subtle ways. This is why poetry exist in language. And the personal purpose for me with music, and of course meditation (which is our common thread here).
I also have this feeling that many writers out there like Eckhart Tolle don’t do anything for me anymore. As I feel I have read these kinds of writings and have gotten all I can from them. But not wanting to generaize too much, as there are a lot of very interesting people out there writting new angles on these kinds of things. Sorry that you feel a parallel to what I am saying but I am offering a dialog here.
Warm Regards,
Damon
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