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YesFrom: Nnonnth
Subject: General
Date/Time 2007-10-25 08:58:43
Remote IP: 195.93.21.72
Message>>My feeling si that the reason for this discrepancy is that buddhist cosmology is aimed at clearing the post-natal mind as the cause of suffering, and lacks a clear viewpoint on other levels of self (i.e. soul, oversoul, etc).<<
It's true, I mean I agree absolutely and have never understood the statements of Buddhists on this topic.
Personally I think the 'immortal self' that is contacted in the initial stages of successful zen meditation cannot possibly be 'wuji' as some people seem to think! To me it is the personal immortal self and a very different thing from the root of the entire cosmos! All these confusions could be cleared up if Buddhists did indeed have a map of the levels of self, but again, I really find it almost impossible to believe that they *don't* have one lying around somewhere! :) I realize that the zen people view things very mind-only, at least that is what they give out, but *tibetans*? Come on!
>>But when they practice, the soul emerges and begins to function clearly and positively. I haven't seen much evidence of focusing on resolving binary soul tension.<<
Two things on that.
Firstly, no there is not much *said* about the resolution of that fundamental above and below into one thing - using the hermetic terms there. But I do see evidence from Nan that it *happens*. I tend to feel that we don't hear about it because it rather contradicts the doctrine! :) (which stubbornly insists there is 'nothing to resolve anyhow'.)
Secondly, I realize that you yourself have definitely made a break with the idea of physical immortality, in its 'ascension' guise, as a goal of taoism. I have read 'Awaken Healing Light' by now and was actually rather interested in the beginning where Mantak (ghost-written by you?) talks of those who disappear completely at death, those who leave hair and nails behind, those whose body remains but very significantly decreased in weight, and so forth.
The reason this interests me is that there is a similar pattern in western practice, and similar 'levels' of the withdrawal of physical substance appear there too. In fact one of my later blog posts will be about this very subject.
I realize that a) your practice does not focus on this, and b) the low-etheric (jing) root of the body is what is really transformed anyway, the physical simply 'going along for the ride' as it were - but still, it is interesting to me that there are times when it seems more or less of the physical body does even go for that ride during death itself. I connect this with astral projection practice and I'm sure that link will be obvious to you.
My question is therefore, do you think that physical 'ascension' (sorry I do not know the taoist term) is part of the practice of resolving the soul tension you are talking about? And also, do you consider the story of Ge Hong for instance, that talks about the disappearance of his entire physical body after his death, to be mere symbolism? j
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