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... and a better way to say one part of it -

From: Nnonnth
Subject: General
Date/Time 2007-10-24 09:48:00
Remote IP: 195.93.21.72

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>>Part of the question may be do we dissolve back into the wuji or does the dissolution result in those unresolved aspects coming back to further seek resolution (where the ancestral line seeks to resolve aspects from before it, "the sins of the fathers are passed on the the offspring")?<<

This happens all the time anyway in this universe, the question is, where in that process is the entity we can call - 'you'? :)

If you have genuinely and entirely dissolved yourself back, then 'unresolved aspects which return to seek further resolution' are ALL you. You have become the ENTIRE PROCESS. There is no longer a part which separates off again from 'you', 'you' are ALL OF IT - the part that splits off, the part that doesn't, the part that recombines, the part that never needed to recombine, the result of the recombination - ALL OF THIS AT ONCE and probably alot more! You have as Lu Dong Bin said 'become unfathomable'.

But if you do not dissolve youself you can see yourself as BOTH all of this and ALSO continue personal evolution into something personally greater, something which I feel this universe is aiming at producing. You can be enlightened and aware of everything in a timeless sense but at the same time someone individual still learning.

The choice is yours, it is your free will, it depends entirely (like everything) on your own understanding of your own situation and your decision on what to do about it.

There is absolutely no conflict between seeking the centre and developing spiritual skill with the elements, or any other spiritual skill.

There is no conflict between wishing to develop essence so that mind connects with What Is Great, and developing life so that What Is Great becomes embodied.

There is no 'ultimate aim' that all practices share.

As a matter of fact IMHO Bagua is quite wrong to denigrate the 'becoming a powerful immortal' approach - I think he does so because he hasn't realized, such people continue to grow and change and experience more and more, and as a result they face ever greater challenges to themselves and their paths become broader and more encompassing, and their humility ever greater, they do not become more and more egotistical - quite the opposite! Such people are all around us, again, I relate my own experience only. But this perhaps is not what is imagined by those who seek to become immortal when they start out! I agree with that. I only say that before they actually *become* immortal they will have to learn differently!

In addition, I would say that I believe this universe is *meant* to train us to understand and use power, also to develop wisdom, understand love, be more and more alive and more and more conscious. Thus I choose and will continue to choose for some 'time' not to dissolve myself just yet; I believe I have much still to learn that can do both myself and others and the universe the power of good.

Now I don't at all denigrate anyone who thinks differently - but perhaps I should say, anyone who *thinks* they think differently. After all, which of the many spiritual ways appears to believe most strongly in the dissolution of the ego? Buddhism! But which tradition's highest practitioners are those who return again and again to embodiment to learn more? Buddhism again! The doctrines mislead; only practicing gives true information; the practices are different, they are personal. They are for different people. People are not better nor worse then each other. Neither are practices, at least, not the principles behind each practice.

I covered all this in the previous post. I don't see any argument here as I say; I am trying to say why there is no argument. j
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