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The 'influence' thing...From: singing ocean
Subject: General
Date/Time 2007-10-24 02:21:14
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>>"I dont deny your alchemical method, I just dont agree with a rigid intepretation of it as some seem to have and are so willing to be critical of other presentations."
Your position is still rather unclear to me, but feel free to practice however you see fit. I prefer alchemical cooking coupled with the inner observer as it gives me a feeling of substance and permanence, that the process is continuing even when I am not "practicing the meditation", when just observing the inner planes. I feel the effect is greater for me than just observing without the alchemical cooking, but that is my preference and may not be for everyone.
>>"I wish your alchemy will digest this once and for all. There is no dissouluton of the individual self, it comes and goes, its not a permanent thing, its your thoughts and the emotions and conditioning attached to it. Its real in the sense your experieince something, its false in that it is transient, comes and goes."
Thanks for your viewpoint. I don't necessarily agree with it. See explanation above.
>>"How much free will do you have? The dream of some tao alchemists is they will be like the dream of god, an immortal that can do anything they want. good luck with that dream."
Thanks for your well wishes. We don't know what is possible unless we try do we? It may be small or big or both at the same time.
>>"It never left the one, you cant be part of the one sometimes and not othertimes, its only your belief that your thoughts and emotions are really you that creates the false viel. The individual self does not have the ability to make that decision."
I answered this in posts above, thanks again for your viewpoint. It is not one that I subscribe to.
>>"I have no interest in spirituality, I am only interested realization of one's true nature, thats it, all else takes care of its self. And what ever method works I can support."
Enjoy
>>"If that is what you need go for it, if this is the step by step method you need go for it, just dont imply everybody must follow that method. I'm open to the fact you need this model, and give you the fredom to do it, but not all will need it."
I enjoy the gradual method that fuses shen with jing because of its substance, and the practice creates a permanent effect of digestion or "cooking" that lasts throughout the day and night.
>>"Can you personally confirm for a fact that you will scatter in the cosmos at physical death? Or is it just a belief you have?"
I only use my own experience during waking, sleep and practice as a gauge of my ability to be integrated.
>>"This view is so polarizing, so splitting, not all of us see or experience this type of dichotomy in our life. So if you need to travel that path great, but please dont demand we all follow this "human made" method. Basically this method seeks to split the life in tiny segements and tries to restore them into a unified whole, not realizing the unified whole already exsited."
Please feel free to experience life as you see fit. Is your method "made by nature" and not by man, or is it just how you like to experience it? Each human has the freedom to choose how they approach that experience. Give thanks to all the previous teachers that made it possible by their will to pass on these maps, giving us the freedom to choose.
I think I explained it quite well in that we are born and die in each moment from the unknown source, yet how many humans feel such a close connection to it that they can be one in each moment? by mapping the birthing process, we also map the return, and by mapping the return bring both into the present (physical) reality. For me the goal is not realization but experience of the process.
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