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To me you're mixing things up a little soFrom: Nnonnth
Subject: General
Date/Time 2007-08-25 08:46:04
Remote IP: 195.93.21.72
Message... to deal with it a detailed reaction this is the way I see it:
Difference between invoke and evoke has nothing to do with whether things are found internally or externally but with whether they *end up being encountered* internally or externally. In invoking you become, in evoking you converse with. So the end result is NOT the same, it is different.
For example when Glenn encountered Shiva (it was not really either one because it was not deliberate on his part but) it was evocation. Shiva was something 'outside Glenn' which Glenn 'spoke to'. He didn't 'become Shiva'. The key is that consciousness of oneself is lost in invocation in favour of consciousness of the spirit.
In Bardon's system the inductive/deductive thing is nothing to do with spirits it is used only for energies. In his system spirits are by far more commonly evoked than invoked but both ways are used for gods, this being advanced work of step 10.
In Glenn's way of giri or feeding spirits the spirit is outside oneself or else giving gifts would have no meaning. When you 'are' the spirit it would be giving a gift for yourself. Plenty of evocationalists give gifts too.
In Mistele quote above he is not referring to the same thing but is talking about the method by which the spirit is persuaded to come. Bardonian evocation focuses on making a space which the spirit naturally wishes to enter. 'Invocation' as he speaks of it here means 'calling within' strongly, but the spirit could still manifest exteriorly or interiorly.
Why is this so important to you anyhow? What about it all? :) And what do you mean by your last sentence - *who* was it who 'did not care to learn'? j
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