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Re: on-topic, More on David ShenFrom: Michael Winn
Subject: General
Date/Time 2005-04-05 10:46:42
Remote IP: 66.32.111.200
MessageKeith,
Thanks for the clarification. You are exactly correct: David is lumping his struggles with Mantak together as if he and I were the same. I was speaking only for myself, I am not Chia's spokesman and the question was directed at my response to David's claims.
I never sold his videos on HTUSA because they had dangerous practices.
One of the sexual practices included sticking a metal pipe up your ass, or having women stick it up their vagina. One woman cut herself and got an infection. I ragged o Chia to get it off his site,,but it took him a long time.
Now Chia has nothing of David's on his site.
The irony of David's posting is that David wants to build hiimself up by claiming he is the linchpin of the Universal Tao, while at the same time he attacks the UT.
A lot of senior instructors in the US were greatly disturbed by the credence that Chia temporarily gave to David, and to the platform Chia offered him.
It was one of many things that spurred me to begin putting out training tapes with my version of the optimal progressive training sequence needed in neidan. I feel Chia compromised the original One Cloud formulas by trying to commingle them with David's channeled material. Fusion of the Five Elements suddenly became Fusion of the Eight Forces, for example....
David himself mixed up practices from some many different sources and traditions because he lives in a reality without clear borders. Just as he cannot distinguish between Dajen (his likely immortal teacher in the astral plane) and his physical reality, he cannot distinguish between different practices and traditions and is too young to know how they might be usefully fit together.
I still have hope that David will sort it all out and integrate a workable path that makes a solid contribution to the Taoist community. I am in favor of experimentalism - up to a point. But I also know that
having a high level channelled teacher can be very difficult to integrate. The puny human ego feels a huge gap between itself and the more evolved entity .It wants to borrow the power and intelligence of the entity to elevate itself, but that also makes the ego more insecure because it is not coming from transformation of its own essence.
Most channels are getting only information. Dajen is at least giving methods, so they can be tested and found to be workable or not in this timezone.
The emphasis on most of the techniques I have seen so far do not shift from the physical (post-natal) chi level of cultivation to pre-natal as directly as One cloud's formulas. If If elt differently I would change systems. Meanwhile I am staying with what works. One Cloud's 7 formullas are really mainstream esoteric alchemical taoism, a well tested pathway.
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