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Re: don't we all gossip?From: Michael Winn
Subject: General
Date/Time 2005-04-04 00:05:51
Remote IP: 207.69.13.174
Message>The sensationalization comes in that you appear to have ultimate insight into all beings. Maybe you do, but my question still is that, if you have ultimate insight into David's problems, why can't you have found the insight to resolve your double scorpio personality?
I don't feel I need to resolve it - everyone's perosnality tendency is just a tool that has been given to them, as the expression of a soul pattern. You polish and sharpen tools, you don't throw them away.
Scorpio is the sign of the alchemist - it penetrates sex, death, and mysticism. If I gave that tool up, I would be of much less use to you and others. The Healng Tao and this board is filled with scorpios seeking alchemical company.
If I used my penetration powers to injure others, I would be using that aspect of myself in an unevolved way. I don't think I attacked or injured David. The statement about his sexual excesses were all made publicly by him. I have already sent him all these comments. He continues to pretend that DaJen is his physical teacher, when no one has ever seen him and David admitted to me that he never eats, sleeps, or drinks.
Perhaps in stead of viewing my speech as arrogant, you could view it as compassionate protection of innocent persons who might be lured in by false advertising.
>These deep insights into others can make you seem arrogant. ("Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak." dictionary.com)
Again, I don't think my comments were either contemptuous or directed at elevating MY self-worth; I have been perfectly content to keep them to myself for some time. And they potentially could open a much deeper understanding of who and what david is going through. I decided they were useful to the person enquiring. I think its more likely just an issue you have with me and are using this occasion to make it. That's fine with me.
>3. The bigger question.
As with you, apparent arrogance is also very present in three of my other major teachers: my reiki teacher, my shaolin teacher, and Ken Wilber (through books, not in person).
Perhaps there is some shift that occurs that results in what appears to be arrogance? Perhaps there is frustration, for more realized people such as you, with our slowness? I don't know.
Or, maybe it is just that I am drawn to those sorts of teachers because I need to learn to come into balance with that energy and my own tendencies to arrogance. What do you think about those two options?
There could be combination of both operating here. I have a fiery nature, which impels me to express things quickly and to the point, with less patience for coddling someone socially than a water type would exhibit.
And most likely, it is triggering some deeper issue in you, which is being projected onto your teachers, as is everyone's wont. Why isn't the Teacher Perfect?
I prefer being imperfect. If I were perfect, you would pretend to admire me but underneath you would hate me even more. I don't need to be perfect to be good as a teacher. I am not asking anyone to ape me, that is specifically NOT part of the process. I intentionally avoid titles or claims that would lead people to project their need for perfection onto me. It kills the possibility of casual friendship. It was the saddest day in Mantak's life when he took on the title Master - as I have reminded him, many times. He lost ownership of his identity on that day.
I enjoy my imperfections,
they add spice to the human process, and often amusement. It is part of the cosmic joke, the absurdity of having a huge field of consciousness squeezed into a tiny body. I suggest you begin to enjoy your "flaws" more.
>These are not small questions. I think that your apparent arrogance, and apparent lack of concern about these later heaven aspects of social interaction, are part of what happened between you and Plato. They have also been commented on by a number of others on the board. They have been observed by my wife when listening to your tapes. And they create dissonance in me.
They are as small or as big a question as you want to make them.
I think its more likely a case of partly of misperception caused by words being disassociated from the speaker in cyberspace., or even on tape. And party misinterpretation of my style. I grew up in family of seven children, five of them combative boys who enjoyed fighting with each other. And we all still love each other and get along great. We still have mock fights for fun. The fights growing up produced mock wounds, and we stil laugh about it.
People who haven't grow up with that are much more thin skinned in their interactions, and tend to be wounded more easily. Obviously there is a danger of someone becoming numb, but that's not what happened amongst my brothers. And there is a good lesson here: all wounds ARE mock, they are only wounds because you want to feel that way, and hold on to them.
Plato is thick skinned - he has heavy defenses, part of which is his habit of dumping his projections on others. I spoke to him in a language designed to penetrate those defenses. Unfortunately written language cannot deliver the nuance necessary.
I was on the verge of organizing an open conference call so that there would be a direct verbal exchange with all the souls who felt wounded for any reason. But he opted out before I got to that option. And I am also fine with that. And fine if he comes back. My main intention wss to reclaim this discussion space with people who were more respectful of others, especially women. Its unfortunate if I appeared disrespectful of Plato to achieve that goal. I don't disrespect him - just his behavior.
Hope this moves you a millimeter closer to clarity.
Michael
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