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Different Alchemy Schools..the sage continues..From: Golden Sun
Subject: General
Date/Time 2005-03-24 03:03:04
Remote IP: 198.81.26.102
MessageI went ahead and bought Bryn Orr's course. It's funny how quickly information can come to you with the internet . I got home from work and emailed one teacher(who will henceforth remain unnamed) who gave me his opnion that Internal Alchemy has the same goal as zen. We know from the last few weeks Michael definetly does not agree with that and has elaborated on that extensively here.
So, then jsirit drops this Bryn Orr guy's name and I go to his site and order his stuff and start reading some of his articles.
Lo and behold, in one of them he writes..
" There are a number of different approaches and beliefs regarding the practice of Taoist Alchemy, just as there are a number of different schools of Taoism, Maoshan, Complete Reality, Spiritual Treasures sect etc. Despite using common nomenclature and core concepts. Such as Fusion of fire and water(Kan and Li)Awakening the primordial treasure(yuan chi)and return to the source,the interpretation of these ideas vary considerably. For example, the work of Master Mantak Chia treats these concepts as techniques of gathering and transforming energy into various states using the physical body as an eenrgetic labratory. This approach is a typical example of Alchemy as practiced by the Southern School or "School of Energetics". The Complete Reality School, however, view these central tenets of Alchemy as being merely stages of completion of our own mind, which in turn leads to an understanding od the true nature of reality.
To further complicate matters, some sects treat the core concepts as a series of techniques to be practiced in a presice order, while others view the core concepts as a process that naturally unfolds as the result of deep meditation. Regardless of the particular meditative technique used to achieve this state. See my book, Flying Without Wings, for more more specific information about the energetic techniques of the Southern School.
Orr's language sounds very similar to Winn's. Obviously, if his Alchemy originates from the same 'Southern School' as Chias that would make sense. He talks about Yuan Chi, which along with the 5 shen seems to be the big thing Winn teaches about. The Zen school, and perhaps the Complete Reality School, sounds just like Bodri/Nan's view . Just do deep Empty Mind meditation and everything happens on it's own.
anyway, thought that was relevant to the discussion, which is not wrapped up by any stretch of the imagination, and doesn't need to be polarized or right or wrong. If the ancient Taoists had disputes about thiss tuff it makes sense that modern practitioners end up having the same debates thousands of years later.
I think this would be a good time for me to let go of any judgement about any of it and do the inner smile.
- Different Alchemy Schools..the sage continues..: (1306) Golden Sun (134) - - 2005-03-24 03:03 am
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