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Re: David Shen-Sean Denty latest Special Initiation - only $7,500.From: HCWB
Subject: General
Date/Time 2006-10-08 01:12:23
Remote IP: 24.20.254.218
MessageHi Michael,
Ultimately, those interested will decide for themselves. As to the cost, many have paid far more for less. Just like any professional, David charges a fair fee to meet these masters and for his teaching. If people think it's so outrageous they won't bother with it. Those who are serious about these practices as a lifestyle choice will see them for what they are and understand what is offered. There are other valid spiritual paths and teachings that are cheaper or even free, but they have nothing to do with what David is offering. Wang Li Ping, if you can find him, charges 6 times what David is charging just to learn the basics. The material your referring to regarding Wang Li Ping’s published teachings, are simple qigong that he taught openly to the public for health and wellness and aren’t related to what David teaches. The teaching in Denmark will be more affordable than the one in Asia for those interested. The Asia trip is 6,500, and yeas it’s a bargin.
Quite frankly, I don't feel your home study course is worth the 1,500. If the techniques and methods you teach don't lead to any achievement what difference does it make if they cost 1,500 or 15,000. I’m not here to take away your business or speculate. Any damage to the Healing Dao was done long ago and has nothing to do with me. The things I’ve said about the Healing Dao are so glaringly obvious to me now that I would be remise not to share them. And, in anycase, my criticism is nothing new; others have voiced the same concerns numerous times. When I was studying with Juan Li he was openly concerned about the version of Kan and Li that you were teaching, which is an obvious mix of Indian yoga (Kriya) and what Chia initially taught. There were so many inconsistency’s in the practice and the methods that I would have been silly to stay with you. On the whole, I respect you and understand that you are happy with system you have created, but there’s no need to pass speculative judgments. David was recommended to me by people close to John Chang is an authentic master and quite close to David. Sherfu Chang confirmed that what David knows is authentic and not taught in public.
The Luo you are talking about has never even heard of Healing Dao; Are you insane.
Kind of predicable that you would try and paint a picture of me as a naive, ungrounded kid, all goo goo eyed and swept off my feet by the romance of the fairy tales spun by David. Of course, you have your video empire to protect; go figure. I’m sorry you feel so threatened by what I experienced and shared here that you would go to this length to discredit me. I have nothing to gain by being here and simply want to share my experience with those who are searching like me.
The energy created from the Healing Dao practices are largely sensory in nature. Subjectively speaking, practitioners may experience all kinds of energy, colors and "buzzing." Point of fact, you can experience any of these things by taking drugs. And of course, the feats and abilities demonstrated by these masters are dismissed as basically unnecessary, but interesting and entertaining by those who have something to gain by dismissing them.
My experience with Healing Dao was my experience. All of the senior instructors I've met and studied under were still searching for more effective methods and were very open about this with me. These included Juan Li, Renee Nevarro, Jampa McKenzei and Ron Diana. Even Mantak Chia talked openly to senior instructors and others about his frustrations at not having been able to find authenic, high level practices in his searching in China. The idea that, because Kan and Li and the other formulas have been written about in various texts, proves they are authentics is just silly. As you yourself told me, Chia was never actually trained in these methods; and what is taught today is basically a good guess at best.
David left the Healing Dao because you and Chia started teaching practices he taught you without permission; surprise. And after decades of practice Mantak himself has not achieved a meaningful level of achievement that would warrant the title of master in any line of teh Dao that I know. Perhaps there is something to the methods you teach, that's just not my experience.
I'm grateful for my time at the Healing Dao; and even though the practices being taught there weren't effective, for me, I feel there are a lot of good people in an around the organization. Other than the sexual practices being taught. I think your approach may provide a sense of well-being and community for those who are seeking these things. But to claim that they lead to enlightenment and immortality is too much. Unless your definition of these things has been reduced to psychological phenomena. I certainly don't hold any anger towards you or anyone in the Healing Dao. On the contrary, I have many fond memories from my summers at Healing Dao. In any case, I sincerely wish you the best in your life and pursuits.
Again for those interested, here is a taste of what I have seen and experienced in a letter I posted on Tao bums; Judge for yourselves:
What follows is a personal account of my recent trip to Asia that I shared with some fellow students. This particular letter focuses in on my experience with two masters I met who are in the Lei Shan Dao, thunder path lineage. Like John Chang or Dijang, whichever you prefer, they displayed abilities beyond the scope of mainstream reality, including telekinesis, pyrogenesis, alteration of fluids and matter (alchemy), manifestation of spiritual light and sounds and other incredible things. They are both amazing people too. Please note that I hold both these men in the highest esteem and personal attacks would be very hurtful. It’s easy to say hurtful things when you’re looking in from the outside, but both these men deserve your respect even if you are only reading about them.
To protect their privacy, I have not used there actual names.
Sherfu J, the master that recently accepted David as a family student, has trained over thirty students to the so called level four and above. Apparently this is usually accomplished in only a few years with the training that he gives. When you compare that to the fact that the head of Mo Pai, John Chang has brought no students to this level in thirty years, it’s easy to see that the Mo Pai system is a much more raw and unrefined technique. Despite Sherfu Chang’s immense power, he is one of the highest masters of the Lei Shan Dao alive; he hasn’t been successful in his teaching, in part because he never intended to do so. In all this time, he has only truly accepted two students as real family, both Chinese.
The practice David teaches is the same one taught by Wang Li Ping. It’s also used as a foundation practice for the Lei Shan Dao and has been taught in its current form for many thousands of years, unchanged. It is the practice that enables one to create the Dan, the true elixir of alchemy, so treasured by the masters. Without this foundation, qigong cannot take place in the body-mind. David also teaches the neikung of the Lei Shan Dao. This is an invitation to sincere seekers to learn this training and go beyond it as well.
Here’s my letter:
“Okay here is a taste of what I experienced. Jordon’s description of Sherfu L was very accurate and my experience was very similar. I can actually still feel where he touched the top of my head and my mid eye point when I practice, so I think there was something to what David said about the empowerment he gave helping us with the practice. L’s treatment was more of an empowerment I would say, as opposed to a healing or diagnosis which a better descriptor for Sherfu J’s treatment; I’m sure that both masters probably do both. When L touches the top of your head with his qi, you literally see a light like a Forth of July sparkler. You don’t see with your visual center, but, at least it seemed this way to me, you see it with your mind or perceive it with your mind; it’s still very physical and bright. Also the music he played while he was treating me was really interesting; some kind of chanting like nothing I’ve ever heard. It really stuck with me. During the treatment, as L worked on various points around my body, my muscles would contract so strongly that I couldn’t keep my hands held together in the position he had me hold no matter how much I resisted. After when we meditated at L’s house, I felt a steady pressure on the bai hui point and it felt like my whole body had been pressurized with qi.
Sherfu L was also a very gracious host. He offered us a great deal of very strong Chinese tea and said some blessings for us. He’s very devoted to Kuan Yin the Goddess. After we left, I could still feel a bit of a buzz and felt very calm. Even a few nights after, I could feel his energy or the effects of his energy on many of the points he worked on; especially the upper points. I still feel the effects of his treatment as some areas have been permanently activated. L is also a martial artist and has done a lot of work with the military if I remember correctly. He looks it too with short cropped hair and definitely an athlete. The guy was very gentle, but there were a few pictures of him on the wall doing some hardcore kung fu; the guy could probably kill you with his pinky. According to David he teaches a technique where you gradually learn to absorb higher and higher voltages of electricity from a wall socket or a generator directly into your body to boost your power. I guess when you get really good you can absorb energy directly from the environment; you just suck it in to body. David said these students learn to absorb over 200 volts or something like that. Anyway, it’s enough to kill you quick; pretty amazing.
Sherfu J was totally different. Where L is very modest in the way he lives, very simple and in a modest area of town, J is a little more… well let’s just say he likes nice things. When we met him for the first time, he was wearing a bright red basketball jersey and matching shorts with some sporty flip flops. He had a big smile on his face and came out to greet us very warmly. His home is very nice, with marble flooring, big overstuffed leather coaches and a giant big screen TV. Actually in the setting we were in, I found it quite tasteful. From what I gathered, when you’re in Sherfu’s town, you really get taken care of and he entertains a great deal. After the second day I realized that the material luxuries are most likely really for the people who come to visit and that Sherfu and everything about him is about taking care of other people. From my short stay with him, I really feel I’ve met one of the most amazing people I may ever meet. From what I’m told, He spends most of his time doing charity work and helping people during our stay he fed us and paid for our accommodations and seemed to be very concerned with our comfort and really went out of his way to make sure we were doing well during our stay. And the food was really amazing.
The day after the ceremony, which was also quite an experience, Sherfu came to visit our hotel a few blocks from his home and began treating us one after the other. He would have each person sit in front of him with their feet on a wet towel. Then his assistant would come over and ground your feet by pressing the main energy point firmly and passing his qi into the sole of the foot. Then J would activate his qi by concentrating and doing a short breathing exercise while he pushed the qi into his hands by pressing them into the air in front of him a couple times. After he’s done this he asks the person to stand and holds their hand while he directs the qi into their body by pushing his other hand along the length of his arm and then into the body. When he “injects” you with his chi, the muscles in your arm gently, but irresistibly contract as his qi courses into your body. His qi is more like a steady magnetic force that produces a strong gentle current wherever he moves it in your body. At this point he relaxes and begins systematically touching various points on that side of your body. He touched different points on different people and each time the corresponding part of the body would gently and suddenly contract. When he was done checking a given side of your body, he would use this same technique of guiding the qi to pull his qi back into his arm. This was very interesting to watch. After he checked each person he would give a detailed report through the translator about the condition of each persons health and status of their over all energy and issue a clean bill of health or advise further treatment.
Sherfu recommended further treatment for several people in our group, including myself, later that day. The healings and treatments he administered that afternoon were probably the most remarkable and amazing things I have witnessed in my life up to this point. I will certainly never forget what I saw and what I went through. The only thing I can compare it to is watching my son’s birth.
It wouldn’t be appropriate to share what others in the group went through in terms of their treatment, but I can tell you about my experience. I’m sharing this because, if I were you I’d want to hear it and hopefully it’s worth telling. Anyway after a big lunch at Sherfu’s house, I was asked to stay behind with the translator and some of Sherfu’s students. Three weeks earlier Sherfu L found an imbalance in my kidneys. He didn’t make much of it, but suggested I take some herbs which he prepared the following day and said that he felt the imbalance was due to improper qigong practice. Perhaps he planted a seed in me; I don’t know, but I had some experiences in the weeks after and something told me to go to China even though I didn’t really have the money. As a side, David said that many people who practice the Healing Dao methods end up with this type of imbalance. In any case, on the morning that Sherfu J tested us, as he passed his qi into my left side the qi began to pulse, stopping and starting in a kind of rhythm as my arm contracted and released. He said that I had a fairly serious blockage in my kidney area and would need to draw some of the stagnant blood out and prepare some special herbal pills. One of the members of our group had been through something very similar and having shared their story, prepared me to some degree for what I was about to experience. That afternoon Sherfu had me stand on his porch as he lanced the veins in the back of both my knees with a prong the size of a knitting needle what seemed like at least a half inch into the flesh. After he got the blood flowing he used his qi to push the affected blood out of my body. What came out of me was about a half pint of what looked like roof tar. It was literally black and thick like a paste. Sherfu said that if I hadn’t come to him, I would have been quite possibly hit with a stroke within the year. After the treatment I actually felt really good. I was given several large herbal “pills” to clear anything that was left in my system. According to Sherfu, because of the properties of the type of medicine that I was given, I will never have to worry about this problem again and will be able to reach my optimal health. I guess these pills have a lot of qi and are a specialty of this lineage. I have to say, I really have been feeling good since I’ve been back. The Translator who was with me told me that when he met Sherfu he was completely paralyzed in his left arm and couldn’t turn his neck at all. Apparently he had the same kind of blockage or blood condition as me, but more advanced; he said that he was totally cured within two years of meeting Sherfu J.
In addition to the treatments I experienced and witnessed, Sherfu and his student, the translator, demonstrated there ability to transform water into this sweet nectar with their qi. Some people in the group had asked David if they could see this particular demo, so David politely requested for the group. Basically Sherfu just took a bottle of ordinary water and let everyone have a taste. Then he set the water on the table and pushes some qi into it for a minute or two. When he’s done we all got to taste it; it’s like sweet honey, but not like any kind of recognizable sweet taste. His student did the same demo later that night. It was really amazing and, at the same time, just very matter of fact and done with out any preparation. I’m told Sherfu’s favorite demo is to take a nice steak in his palm, crack an egg on it and fry it to a perfect medium rare right in his hand. Pretty freaking slick.
We also got to see a woman demo her yin yang gong by giving David a jolt of qi. The women in our group were very inspired to see a woman, who had two children no less, who had achieved this power.
Best, Sean (aka the big eyed kid)
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